on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. mika, who is with us today? >> first you have to tell everyone it's time to wake up. mark halperin joins us and donny deutsch. >> okay. the kids will be talking about it all weekend. >> i'm still curious about what everybody is waiting for in those first debates. i don't want to be cynical. i am not quite sure what is going to happen there that is going to flip the switch. we've seen these guys. i know we haven't seen them together. give me a scenario, for instance an actual back and forth that could actually happen that you would go, save one of them. >> what if one didn't show up? >> would you like me to support my original thesis? number one among undecided 5% one-quarter of those, a 1% shift. number two, every poll before the first debate usually ends up being the stand up poll at the end. number three more importantly actually the leader, the front-runner now gets to be the underdog in the next one. what is it going to change? >> the outcome of the election. >> no it's not. what can we bet right now in a se